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Welcome to Shiba-L

SHIBA-L is an E-Mail list devoted exclusively owners and fanciers of Shibas.

SHIBA-L is a privately owned list, although the public is free to subscribe to the list. The List Owners reserve the final right to determine who may remain subscribed. We ask that everyone subscribing to the list do so as a private individual; if you are representing a company or other commercial interest, we may ask you to leave. We also request that no one set up gateways to mirror this list anywhere else.

The list of subscribers to this List is not available except to the List Owners. It will be posted to the list periodically, or supplied upon request to a list member in good standing.

The principle owners of this list are Mike Ross <MikeRoss@compuserve.com> and Lynda Birmantas <lynbir1@aol.com>. Please email us privately if you have any questions or comments about the list or if you need help with your subscription.

Please bookmark this document for future reference as it contains useful information regarding the uses and guidelines for Shiba-L, as well as information on how to unsubscribe. This document will be updated from time to time. When this document is updated, a notice will be posted to the list for the benefit of those already subscribed.

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The Shiba-L listowners are Mike Ross <MikeRoss@compuserve.com> and Lynda Birmantas <lynbir1@aol.com>, and are referred to as the "List Owners" throughout this document. By continuing to read messages sent by SHIBA-L you agree to hold the List Owners harmless for opinions expressed on this mailing list. These opinions do not necessarily reflect the opinions of the List Owners.

This list is hosted by LSoft. Please read LSoft Mailing List Rules that follow. In particular, by remaining subscribed to this list, you are agreeing to be bound by certain rules and regulations. If you cannot agree to these restrictions, then unsubscribe now.

PLEASE NOTE: Subscribers are hereby informed that the presence of any breeder, judge, exhibitor, trainer, or rescue worker/group on this list is NOT to be construed as an endorsement by the List Owner or individual members of this List.

LSOFT's Mailing List Rules

Before you continue, please read the following carefully.

LSOFT ("LSoft") provides this Internet site to the owner of this List and its subscribers as a service to the Internet community. Access to and use of Shiba-L@APPLE.EASE.LSOFT.COM (the "List") is subject to the following terms and conditions and all applicable laws. By subscribing to and/or using this List, you agree to be bound by these terms and conditions. LSoft may revise these terms and conditions from time to time by updating this posting.

You should consider any communications and other materials you transmit to or via this List to be non-confidential and recognize that they may be Reproduced, republished, or rebroadcast by LSoft, the List Owner or any other subscriber to this List. By using this List you agree that LSoft is not responsible for any errors created in or damage to any such communication or material or for the use of any such communication or material by anyone accessing this List.

You are responsible for complying with applicable laws and regulations when using this List. You agree that you will not use this List to reproduce or publicly distribute or broadcast copyrighted material (including, without limitation, e-mail messages, newspaper and magazine articles, digital images and sound recordings, and computer programs) without the author's permission. By posting materials to or sending them through this List, you represent and warrant that the reproduction, distribution, broadcast and use of such materials will not violate anyone else's copyright or any other proprietary right.

You also agree that you will not post or transmit any defamatory, abusive, harassing, obscene, pornographic, or indecent communication or material to or through this List, nor will you use this List to advocate illegal conduct or to commit, or aid or abet the commission of a crime.

Finally, you agree that your access to and use of this List and its contents is at your own risk. LSoft does not monitor or control this List or any communication or materials sent through or posted to it. The statements, views and opinions contained in such communications and materials are those of the author and are not endorsed by, nor do they necessarily reflect the opinion of, LSoft. LSoft does not warrant, guarantee, or make any representations, express or implied, with respect to any information or material sent through or posted to this List, including its accuracy, completeness, quality, performance, merchantability, or fitness for a particular purpose. LSoft will not be liable for any direct, incidental, consequential, indirect or punitive damages arising out of your access, use or inability to use this List, or any errors or omissions in the List or its contents.


These commands are to be sent to LISTSERV@APPLE.EASE.LSOFT.COM, *never* the mailing list. If possible, leave the subject line empty.

What you want to have happen - What to type in your mail message -

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  • To Subscribe SUBSCRIBE SHIBA-L (your real name)

  • To Unsubscribe SIGNOFF SHIBA-L

  • To Stop List Mail Temporarily SET SHIBA-L NOMAIL

  • To Restart Mail SET SHIBA-L MAIL

  • To Receive A Digest SET SHIBA-L DIGEST

  • To Find Out Who Sent a Message SET SHIBA-L DUALHDR

  • To Get A Listing Of All The Commands HELP

  • To See Your Distribution Options QUERY SHIBA-L

  • To Get ARCHIVES (subscribers only) GET SHIBA-L LOGyymmw (where yy=year, mm=month, w=week(A-E)

If you want to do something that is not noted above, use the HELP command in your mail message. Also: When you send a command message to the Listserv, you can have multiple commands per message, just make sure that you put a separate command on each line of the message, and do NOT include your signature at the end.

If you go on vacation, please use SET SHIBA-L NOMAIL and then send a SET SHIBA-L MAIL when you return to avoid overflowing your mailbox. Archives are always available if you want to "catch up" when you return.

If your address starts to bounce, the List Owner will either put you on DIGESTS, NOMAIL or unsubscribe you, depending on what the bounce messages say. If you stop receiving mail, check your status using the QUERY option.

For techie problems or other issues related to SHIBA-L, please send email to the List Owner (not to the List). Include a detailed description of what went wrong. Ideally, enclose the full text, including the headers, of any error messages that you get.

Technical Information

To Subscribe

To subscribe to SHIBA-L, send email to: listserv@apple.ease.lsoft.com

In the body of the message include the single line:

subscribe SHIBA-L Your Name

The listserver will send you a confirmation message before you are "officially" added to the list. All you have to do is follow the instructions in the message and your subscription will be completed. This is an added security step to prevent spammers, or individuals who subscribe or send messages to multiple lists, usually advertising a product or service.

SHIBA-L requires that all list members subscribe using a full, real name. Failure to comply can result in the removal of your subscription.

Posting Messages

To send a message to all the people currently subscribed to the list, send mail to SHIBA-L@APPLE.EASE.LSOFT.COM. This is called "sending mail to the list", because you send mail to a single address, and LISTSERV makes copies for all the people who have subscribed. This address (SHIBA-L@APPLE.EASE.LSOFT.COM) is also called the "list address". You must never try to send any command to that address, as it will be distributed to all the people who have subscribed. All commands must be sent to the "LISTSERV address", LISTSERV@APPLE.EASE.LSOFT.COM. It is very important to understand the difference between the two, but fortunately it is not complicated. The LISTSERV address in a sense acts like a FAX number, and the list address acts like a normal phone line. If you make a FAX call to someone's regular phone number by mistake, it will be an unpleasant experience for him, but you will probably be excused the first time. If you do it regularly, however, he will probably get upset and send you a nasty complaint. It is the same with mailing lists, with the difference that you are, in effect, "calling" hundreds of people at the same time, so a lot more people get annoyed if you use the "wrong number".

Only list members are allowed to post to SHIBA-L. If you have multiple email addresses, only the one that you used when you signed up for the list may be used to post messages. A message posted using any other email address will be rejected as an unauthorized post.

Leaving the List

You may leave the list permanently at any time by sending a "SIGNOFF SHIBA-L" command to LISTSERV@APPLE.EASE.LSOFT.COM.

To postpone your mail during vacations, or any time you will not be available to keep current, by sending a "SET SHIBA-L NOMAIL" command to the LISTSERV address above. To turn your mail back on, send a "SET SHIBA-L MAIL" command to the LISTSERV address.


You can also tell LISTSERV how you want it to confirm the receipt of messages you send to the list. SHIBA-L is set to a default of "Repro", which means that LISTSERV will send you a copy of your own messages. That way, you can see that the message was distributed and did not get damaged on the way. After a while you may find that this is annoying, especially if your mail program does not tell you that the message is from you when it informs you that new mail has arrived from SHIBA-L. If you send a "SET SHIBA-L ACK NOREPRO" command, LISTSERV will mail you a short acknowledgment instead, which will look different in your mailbox directory. With most mail programs you will know right away that this is an acknowledgment you can read later. Finally, you can turn acknowledgments off completely with "SET SHIBA-L NOACK NOREPRO".

Archives and Digests

Here's how to get archives for SHIBA-L:

To get an archive of mail you have missed or want to reread for any reason, send the following message to the "LISTSERV" address:

GET SHIBA-L LOGyymmx, where "yy" is the year (e.g., 95), where "mm" is the month (e.g., 11) where "x" is a value a, b, c, d, or e (for the weeks in a month). For instance, GET SHIBA-L LOG9511c would get you the archive for the 3rd week in November, 1995.

Archives are only available to SHIBA-L subscribers.

Digest is available by using the command "SET SHIBA-L DIGEST". To go back to mail, use the "SET SHIBA-L MAIL" command.

To get an updated version of this message, use "GET SHIBA-L WELCOME".

For more information about subscription options, send a "QUERY SHIBA-L" command to LISTSERV@APPLE.EASE.LSOFT.COM. Contributions sent to this list are automatically archived. You can get a list of the available archive files by sending an "INDEX SHIBA-L" command to LISTSERV@MAIL.EWORLD.COM. You can then order these files with a "GET SHIBA-L LOGxxxx" command as was described above, or by using LISTSERV's database search facilities. Send an "INFO DATABASE" command for more information on the latter.

More information on LISTSERV commands can be found in the LISTSERV reference card, which you can retrieve by sending an "INFO REFCARD" command to LISTSERV@APPLE.EASE.LSOFT.COM.

Receiving Administrative Help

If you have an administrative-type question for the List Owner, please send those to SHIBA-L-request@apple.ease.lsoft.com

What You Can Do

Your List Owners want to keep the guidelines for SHIBA-L short and sweet. So, here they are:

  • Anything directly related to Shiba Inu is fair game.

  • Because some List members pay for their access either on a per message basis or by volume, please keep your messages short and concise, and keep quoting of old material to the minimum necessary. You WILL get an automated reminder of this if you overstep this criteria. In particular, watch out if your mailer automatically appends the entire text of the message you respond to at the end. Also, watch out for mailers that add attachments and other encoded material. Please do not send these to the list. Most mailers have a menu option to turn attachments off. NOTE: Windows95 Internet Explorer seems to be one of the worst for adding unwanted attachments.

  • Discussion of general dog care issues are OK, but are not really the focus of this list. There are other mailing lists and Usenet newsgroups that handle the general topics. If the topics get very basic, you may wish to reply via email instead (or ask for email replies if you're doing the asking).

  • Info on shows and trials, etc. are welcome. Please indicate the region/city/state in the subject line of your message.

  • Personal chat will be tolerated somewhat, however, please keep it to a dull roar; if the topics start to really drift please take them to private Email. And PLEASE refrain from sending "thanks", "me too", and "nice post" type stuff to the list!

  • PLEASE try to keep your subject headers as accurate as possible. Please remember to change the subject line if the discussion strays from the original topic.

  • Brags about show wins and other achievements are welcome. We would appreciate hearing details about the events and the performance of your dogs. NOTE: Replies that are purely congratulatory in nature should be sent via email, rather than back to the list.

  • Conversely, notices about the loss of a beloved companion are also acceptable. Replies of condolence *should* be sent via email; however, public posting of such replies will not be criticized, considering the nature of the post.

  • Because some mailers do not handle email from a listserver properly, some of those on the list may only see that traffic on the list is coming "from" the listserver and not see the normal "From: (sender)" that most of us do. So please sign all your messages with your name and email address for their benefit.

  • Diverse opinions are welcome as this is still pretty much a free country. However, use good judgment in your posts.

What you Can't Do

Your List Owners do not want to act as the Net Police. However, this is a privately owned list, and the List Owners have the right to eject troublemakers. To avoid this problem in the first place, the List Owners ask your cooperation in complying with the following:

  • Flame wars will NOT be tolerated. Anyone persisting in more than a "lively discussion" (i.e. blatant rudeness, name calling, personal attacks) will be subject to having their list privileges revoked without a warning.

  • Discussions of animal rights issues (PETA, et.al.) are NOT welcome on this list. However, discussion of animal welfare issues will be tolerated, as long as they don't stray too far from the list focus.

  • Commercial advertising on this list is prohibited, as part of the List Owner's contract with LSoft. This is NOT to be confused with satisfied customers recommending one product or another, which is fine so long as they disclaim any relationship to the company other than as a customer. In addition, rescue groups may list dogs available for adoption without violating this rule.

  • THIS LIST IS NOT INTENDED TO ADVERTISE LITTERS FOR SALE. Any post advertising or recommending breeders outside this list is not appropriate. List members may mention their OWN litters in discussion, but again, "advertisements" are not appropriate. Please bear in mind that new subscribers are added each week, and such advertising may give them the impression that buying a puppy is a spur of the moment decision.

  • SHIBA-L articles and posts, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are copyrighted by the authors and must not be retransmitted in any form without the explicit permission of the original poster. Please honor their wishes should they not want their posts sent elsewhere. Moreover, this list may not be reflected to other sites without explicit permission from BOTH the poster(s) and the list owner(s). PLEASE NOTE: that does not mean your correspondence can be considered private; you should treat anything sent to the list as something that was said publicly. Note also that LSoft's disclaimer (above) does *not* give list members *permission* to repost (despite the "may"); it is simply advising that LSoft cannot *prevent* such an occurrence and, like the List Owner, cannot be held responsible for any consequences. Anyone who habitually disregards this rule will be subject to permanent removal from the list.

  • If you cannot, or do not wish to, comply with these terms, SIGNOFF NOW.


Once you have been subscribed to SHIBA-L, you will receive this welcome. The List Owners also suggest that you save your introduction, as we may periodically request that we all re-introduce ourselves if we have had an influx of new members.

Message to WIN95 Users

Windows95 and MS Exchange cause problems on the list unless they are configured correctly. If you are using MSExchange, the built-in mail program that came with WIN95, be sure that you change the "properties" for the list's address in your "Personal Address Book" to be sure that you do not send mail in "Microsoft Exchange Rich Text Format". To do this, double click on the address, and unclick on the box that says "Always Send To This Recipient In Microsoft Exchange Rich Text Format."

This will eliminate the WINMAIL.DAT file garbage that sometimes appears at the end of messages. This file contains the font type and color information and other things that can corrupt other mail readers.

You also need to turn off RTF and MIME.

If you are using any other kind of a mail program, it is just good form to be sure that the mail program is sending out mail in "text only" format, as many people don't have a GUI (Graphical User Interface) based reader.

Good "Netiquette"

Please include your real name and your e-mail address at the end of every post. This is for the convenience of people who wish to reply to you privately. It would also be nice to know where you live. This is not required, but informative. You may use your state only, if you prefer.

Try to use informative subject lines in your post. Many list members subscribe to multiple lists, and use subject lines to determine which messages to read first. If the subject line becomes outdated through a continuing discussion, please remember to change the subject line to better match what is being discussed.

When replying to a post, try to be concise. Do not quote the whole message, but merely the applicable sentence or two. Many people pay for their posts by the line or the page.

Please try to keep current with the list or use your SET NOMAIL command if you will be away for an extended period of time. If your mail bounces, you will have your subscription removed and will have to resubscribe when you return.

Please refrain from sending "me too" and similar type posts to the list. If you wish to compliment or comment on another's post in this vein, please do so privately.

In summary, be kind to one another and enjoy!

Once again, welcome to SHIBA-L! We hope you enjoy the time you spend with us in our little cyberspace corner.

The List Owners:

Mike Ross: MikeRoss@compuserve.com
Lynda Birmantas: lynbir1@aol.com

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